Episode 48: Listener Questions Part 6

July 6 Episode 48: Listener Questions Part 6

Leah and Mike answer more listener questions. In this episode they cover how many scientologists are left, why scientology is so “white,” should scientology celebrities be boycotted, the front groups of scientology, Applied Scholastics schools, Degraded Beings, Dilettantes and more.

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The Size of Scientology

Graphic by Jeff Hawkins from 2018. Things have shrunk since then…

Dealing with Critics of Scientology

My blog post with the documents from Hubbard

The history of CCHR Part 1

Chris Owen’s brilliant history of CCHR

The history of CCHR Part 2
The history of CCHR Part 3
Scientology "Whiteness"

My earlier blog post on the subject

Hubbard's statements on race

A collection of Hubbard’s racist statements

What is a Degraded Being?

Definitions from the official scientology dictionaries.

These are what they were willing to have published. In common usage in scientology, the term is far more derogatory. A direct translation might be “bum” but even that is less derogatory than the significance attached to the term “DB” in scientology.

Sea Org ranks and insignia
Scientology schools
The front groups of scientology


  • Jeanette Lussier says:

    Future question…. If Scientologists are not really sent to normal school and end up working young in the sea org, or just general studying scientology. Do any of the people who leave the church go back to school to learn what they missed out on? And where would you start? I can’t imagine leaving and finding out you know nothing about the real word and what Scientology is known as to non believers. Keep up the work Leah and Mike. I’ve also enjoyed the conversations you have had about other religions/cults and how they are similar.

  • Flo says:

    Hi ,I’m a big fan of your podcast and Mike I admire the courage that you have to confront the true and I’m so happy for the family that you have.
    I will love to hear you talking with Gerry Armstrong!

  • GloriJean Harper says:

    Thought you might get a kick out of this. My 82 yr old Baptist mother LOVES you! she say one of her favorite things is that she loves it when you swear!

  • Jess Smith says:

    Love the podcast, I think you’re doing an amazing job! I was slightly alarmed by how easily and absentmindedly you dismissed “Landmark”. I’ve done the first 2 courses, and had major breakthroughs, life changing experiences. I saw the people around me in the courses see a way to better their life and there was actual happiness in the room. After those 2 courses they didn’t contact me, didn’t force me to give any money, participate or read anything. It was very helpful, and very different from Scientology. I understand that “EST” was crap, but I wish you did some research into the actual current courses, before dismissing them to a whole audience that listens to you and is effected by your opinions. Thank you.

  • Laura van Ness says:

    Hello Mike and Leah! I’ve been listening for a long time, but this week’s podcast really resonated with me ..Leah mentioned having family members who support certain political figures who are just the worst kind of people (I do not speak or type the former president’s name …it’s too much like naming the devil for me), and I can relate. In my case, it’s my life partner who supports “the other side.” I thought the election would quell my partner’s beliefs, but it’s only grown worse. Maybe a future podcast topic could be “how to talk to family members who subscribe to differing political, social, and religious ideologies”? Just a thought …I really liked what Steven Hassan had to say about talking to Qanon believers in a reasonable and respectable way. Keep up the good work, Guys. I support and admire the work you do.

  • Dr Nick says:

    Hi Leah and Mike

    I am a doctor training to be a psychiatrist in the UK. Thanks for all your hard work exposing the evils of scientology!

    I have some questions, well rather a few actually, specifically on Marty Rathbun.

    The questions I have are:

    · What caused him to leave scientology?
    · Did he continue to believe in the theories of scientology when he left?
    · If you had to guess – why has he gone back in? He was harassed pretty extremely when he was out
    · What about his wife Monique – I understand she had never had any affiliation to scientology and had been harassed pretty badly herself. Didn’t she sue them? Are her and Marty still together and has she “gone to the dark side” with him (as far as you know)?
    · Now that he has gone back in, what would have happened to him? I can’t imagine he’d go back to his previously high role. What punishments/ repentance would he have to go through?
    · Do you think there could be any possibility that he is being a “double agent” and trying to take down the evil organisation from the inside?
    · Do you miss your friend Mike?

    Like I said – a lot of questions! May be you could devote a whole special episode on Marty?

    Thanks again for all you both do

  • Former Listener says:

    I used to be a faithful listener of the podcast and TV Show until the 7/6 podcast. Political stuff has been brought up in the past, but your show crossed the line this time. I am so tired about hearing about how the US was founded on racist principles and how it is still a racist country. So misinformed.

  • DesR says:

    Does David Miscaviage have kids? Who will take over when he passes?

  • Allison Lavigne says:

    How are Scientologists who marry people who are not Scientologists viewed by the church?

  • Rae says:

    After researching polygraph usage and history, I’m curious about the similarities between a polygraph and an E-meter. It seems an E-meter was developed off the component of a polygraph machine that measures skin connectivity, or GSR (Galvanic Skin Response). Is this correct? And if so, since polygraph results are incredibly easy to corrupt with physical counter measures, can an E-meters’ results be manipulated, like a polygraph, by the participant contracting their anal sphincter muscles or controlling respiration? Are auditors instructed to watch for these, or other, physical actions, like polygraph administrators?

  • Nancy Niederhaus says:

    Leah and Mike:

    With each new podcast release, I love your work more and more. And I feel like I am slowly getting to know you two remarkable folks. And of course, Scientology.

    Keep cursing, Leah! Your unbridled passion is refreshing! Mike, you are such a modest man. Thank you for sharing your experiences with Scientology. It can’t be easy.

    This last podcast was my favourite. Keep it up.

  • Kat says:

    I just watched this on YouTube and thought about this podcast and how you guys say other real churches aren’t businesses. It looks like it might be the wave of the future… https://youtu.be/KrBcpL5HGcs ViceNews “Why churches might start looking more like businesses”. Interesting 7 minute watch.

  • David says:

    If David Miscavige wasn’t the leader and “chairman of the board” of Scientology would Scientology be any different to what it is now?

  • Kirsten Gebhardt says:

    Future question: are the attorneys and PI’s who work for the church also parishioners? If not, do they have no morals? I guess that there are a lot of attorneys without morals on this earth, but I find it curious if the church has trusted, long-term attorneys who are not parishioners, or if the church goes through attorneys at the same rate that Leah says the “F” word?

  • Samantha says:

    Would love to see y’all take on QANON. Australian media has started to interview former followers and we know it’s following us unfortunately growing here

  • Andrea Fritzsch says:

    hi I’m Andrea, I’m hoping you guys can answer this question in your next q & a. Was John Travolta’s movie Phenomenon based on Scientology? I only watched it once and aside from thinking it was boring I also thought some of the talents the main character was given were Scientology based, like having mind powers and everything.

  • Barry says:

    Great Podcast guys. Really love it. As a retired U.S. military member, the way the SeaOrg uses the titles and ranks do not infringe on stolen valor. Stolen valor would be if someone wore an authorized military uniform claiming to be in the army, air force or marines claiming they were in the military and earned the rank and/or various awards and decorations. This is not. This is just a case of wannabe important LRH using his time in the Navy as a background for the construct of this shame organization.

  • Nora says:

    Hi! Love the podcast! Quick question. Does David Miscavige have an auditor? If so, is that person sworn to secrecy? Along those lines, does he have a succession plan? Thanks for all the great work you do!!

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